Holloman and Beals played that couple. Beals has admitted in interviews that she would avoid painful experiences. 3:04 PM - Jun 12 #46336. 6:18 PM - Mar 21 #91004. 3:21 AM - Feb 23. It is indeed. Guest. Bette is one of the only characters who experienced significant — though rushed — personal growth in “Gen Q,” making her and Tina’s reconciliation actually seem believable. IMO. As a painter, if you have a show, it can take a year and you have, let's say, 30 paintings or 25 paintings to paint to make that show. IC mentioned (think it was on the pilot commentary) that the cast would get together at Beals home to do read throughs of the. The show sounds interesting and really hope it takes off but a bonus would be for Laurel to have some part on the show. 97645 posts Page 3205 of 3255. She's not with Henry anymore--and Bette's definitely the one in a relationship--and Tina's the one on her own. I sure hope we hear something soon. Guest. Fans of “The L Word” who shipped their characters as “TiBette” shifted gears and dubbed a hopeful Beals/Holloman romantic reunion as “JenLuh. Here, Beals reflects on Sunday night’s season 1 finale, and foreshadows a bit more of what’s next. Let's give the highest ratings to the TIBETTE episode, as it is a unique event, one of the moments we've been waiting for years. Nov 17, 2021 #18918. But laurel Holloman enriched so much the character: JB immediately connected with Laurel and sensed the symbolic strength of their couple and the audience bonded naturally with Tibette. The Jennifer Beals thread is the best place to get an answer for that but it is 800 pages long so it would take you a while to read. JB gave them a huge opportunity. Super funny. Body pressed, Head locked OMG. That forces Shane (Kate Moennig) to call Tess (Jamie Clayton) to bring copious amounts of alcohol from Dana's. 11:00 AM - Jan 27. Guest. View the profiles of people named Charles Holloman. There was only 2 people who participated in the photo Op with Michael N. JB has a history of stalkers from Flashdance days. This rather cute ship that started in an Internet lesbian chat room caught the eye the beloved couple. Maybe we need a new thread for those born after 1994 or something who want to discuss Beals, Holloman, Lauren Lee Smith, etc. JB and LHs interaction was taped and later reviewed by the execs. Whether she almost exclusively likes poems by lesbian poets or designs a t-shirt with JenLuh. This site is not about becoming educated or enlightened. Yeh,I would love to see Holloman guest on the show. Share with: Link: Copy link. Trans athletes have been allowed to play in sports since the early 2000s, and no one had shit to say about it until this new wave of transphobia came around in the last few years. Would be fun to see Beals and Holloman play against each other in non-lover roles. Then Tina was cast. There’s still a dearth of opportunities for women in corporate spaces, or actually anywhere, occupied by mostly men. Claim and edit this page to your liking. and like two decades later. Same old rumors. I di…So once again, fans of tlw at her exhibitions supporting her :) Actually, just her fans. Join Facebook to connect with Christel Belmans and others you may know. Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman from podDIVA on Podchaser, aired Wednesday, 29th March 2023. Hear your L Word favourites Jennifer Beals (Bette Porter) and Laurel Holloman (Tina Kennard) sharing all the joy with Rachel Shelley (Helena Peabody) -. Bette (Jennifer Beals), is the definition of a “power lesbian. Holloman mentioned spending less time with Beals S3 & S4 which is the period they seemed to be less friendly. Hahaha how'd your new thread work out for ya TiBettesCookie? Make lotsa friends?1:19 PM - Apr 06 #92401. Stop killing off beloved characters and blackballing popular characters because the actors aren’t politically correct. what do you expect me to do. JB was perfect for Bette the power woman and was cast. . Open your fucking eyes and give us what we want. I think that comes with their trajectory. After all the tomfoolery with Tina and Bette bringing the intended “donor” home, they’re laying in bed talking and Tina takes Bette’s hand under the covers and says “This is. J ennifer Beals is talking to me by Zoom from. The L Chat. " [Note: This story contains spoilers for the first two episodes of Season 3. When the news broke that Luh’s screen time was cut in S4, all hell broke loose. So she would be 87 or so this year. With all of the other story lines I don’t see them getting the screen time to do much more. She was technically 10 when her dad passed and she’s the middle child. Fans of her work, her personality, her multi talents. Development has at least partly halted at this point because Ilene can’t write for it while the WGA is striking - it would be considered scabbing. Yeah, but she wasn't as hot as Kate or Sam and I didn't feel much chemistry between them outside of their sex scene looking hot. We've updated our and by continuing you're agreeing to the updated terms. J. I reserved 3 shirts this morning. The season concludes with their wedding and thus also a massive sense of catharsis for long-time TiBette fans. And that was the tone of the day, just to really have fun. Hypothetically speaking ofc. For me, Pam Grier’s idea of Kit and Bette’s childhood being brought to. Beck 22. I very much doubt the goddess was ever going to go especially with her hating Marja. Claim and edit this page to your liking. Throwback to season 6 production notes. It's very likely she even cut down all contact hoping Laurel's and herself's feeling cool down, which upset LH. I think people simple game out of the gate ready to bid. "Paul wanted a wife, not a serial cheater. I bet she and Jen had a talk about the party and Laurel decided to attend. Sunday’s episode of Showtime’s The L Word: Generation Q staged a reunion that was a decade in the making as Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman reunited. Idk about 9 and 10 but I doubt Ilene ghost wrote 1 and 2 because the writing was terrible as always in GQHAHA this is great! Adding. It’s for a commendable cause. Laurel and Jennifer have perfect chemistry, and they complement each other by playing their characters at a very high psychic level. Making out with Jennifer in the country club was delicious. PowerLesbian. Same with LuH and others. Bette (Jennifer Beals) ended the first season of The L Word: Generation Q at a turning point in her life. ”. Laurel agreed. That is a really good article, very informative. Speculation into a possible rekindled love affair grew at a fastened pace. "A convincing version of speculation is that Laurel explicitly expressed love to Jennifer after her divorce but Jennifer turned down for career and family concerns. Bette said she wanted to carry the child. JB mentioned it will be in Big Bear. Herman Beals is on Facebook. Laurel's dog coming in and shaking so that we could all hear him and he recognised Jennifer and Jennifer gushing over the doggy. com) After the L Word’s final season, while other members of the L Word cast sailed off into the proverbial network television sunset — Jennifer Beals’ The Chicago Code and Sarah Shahi’s Fairly. I recall IC mentioning the chemistry between Beals and Holloman was visible from the beginning. I've watched it only once, never again. There were rumors about JB and Mia too. PowerLesbian. I also think the person next to her is not JH because JH is a bit shorter. So obvious that LuH wrote the vows. 3:30 PM - Sep 28 #96061. 4:59 PM - Oct 15. Ilene is a smart woman she knows that Bette Porter is the L word as is her wife Tina. Book details &. It’s past the deadline, but please accept my order. And Bette was literally kicked around for all the season. B. Second parallel is of course the hug and Bette closing her eyes. In the podcast JB says LuH suggested to donate the vows about month ago, so the surprise could be the vows. The Claudine Gil Gallery has been selected by the art committee of Fiabcn - Fira Internacional d'Art de Barcelona to present the artworks of Laurel Holloman on the 4 and 5 November at Museu Marítim de Barcelona in Barcelona. “big fans” they're more like spoiled, fucked-up fans. 7:54 AM - Apr 07. It doesn’t matter if she wears her ring or not, it’s Laurel she’s chaotic, one day she wears it the other day she doesn’t not a big deal I’m doing the combo, selfie and additional autograph along with the photo OP! It’s awesome seeing all of the Tibette shirts walking around. I think they will feel like they have to walk on eggshells whenever they talk about Bette and Tina They certainly are aware that many listeners (this board included) will interpret every little thing they say and that those listeners eagerly await every little clue or hint or slip of the tongue. So basically they should say it to themselves: standing on a porch isn't a kiss. Tuesday, March 28, 2023. She even tested positive for lupus, a chronic inflammatory disease that can affect various parts of the body and typically causes achy joints, arthritis and fatigue. It’s going to tip the ship if the people attending this shindig end up witnessing a TiBette reunion. View all 20 comments. The L Chat > Welcome Back > General Discussions > Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman; JenLuh. Share. Bette's a force of nature who also directs an art museum. Heavy rumors that Kevin Costner will leave Yellowstone and is being replaced by Matthew McConaughey. DISCUSSIONS. Maybe not as outwardly facing as Laurel due to Jennifer being such a guarded person, hell Jennifer was so passionate about them that. Bette will be looking gorgeous in that suit JB posted a while back. We (women and lesbians) are doing the best we could under the circumstances. 4. At first time when ST confirmed reboot there was interview with JB, IC, and Marja in 2019. com) a lot of stuff from the L word (they both worked on set. The L Chat > Welcome Back > General Discussions > Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman; JenLuh. Other fan boards might be a better place for you guys and this ridiculous beals/holloman fantasy. The story of 18-year-old ‘welder by day, dancer by night’ Alex Owns (Jennifer Beals) made more than $90 million at the American box office alone, more than Octopussy and Eastwood’s Dirty Harry in Sudden Impact. That’s right. Bette and Tina saved my life – An open thank you letter to Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman. This screams Wife Energy like nobody’s business. Sorry to break your illusion, but this girl is one of the most unpleasant to Laurel and still justifies the jokes as innocent sarcasm because she loves Laurel. 11:08 PM - Jan 07 #83120. Jun 11, 2022 #46302. Somehow he got talked into adopting their second child. Her dad was 61 at the time of his death. . moderator. ”. This girl is selfish and bullies. The L Chat > Welcome Back > General Discussions > Jennifer Beals. how can i be faithful to you. Sooner or later, all this and much else will lead to big problems (IMO). NOTIFICATIONS. i can't just talk to you. If she doesnt need/want the producer job with all the work that comes with it its fine, shes got another lucrative career…. 3:19 AM - Mar 24. The L Chat > Welcome Back > General Discussions > Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman; JenLuh. ” This rather cute ship that started in an Internet lesbian chat room caught the eye the beloved couple. The film will return to theaters on Wednesday, April 26, and Sunday, April 30, as part of a special engagement presented by Fathom Events and Paramount Pictures. Well, it seems that she continues to feed y earning money on TLW. 7:26 PM - Jan 24. 97645 posts Page 3205 of. I think that Laurel's painting titled "And, I love you" really is that scene from after Honey Honey. BTW, I don’t really like the way Jodi is always trying to show their PDA like a horny teenager especially in front of their friends. DA LuH did and interview in Jan/Feb 2020 and was asked if she kept in touch with JB, and she said yes and talked about how they’ve continued to bond over having kids the same age. In Proof, Beals plays Dr. Apr 05, 2015 #4351. When they go low I don’t go high, I go to the gutter because I will always match energy. how can i be faithful to you. She is super smart and knows how to diffuse. I will forever be a fan of Beals and Holloman. Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman; JenLuh - Page 599 - The L Chat (tapatalk. No she didn't. How GQ managed to converge bad lighting, harsh makeup and unflattering clothing to diminish this hotness should have activated automatic fines against Showtime. The killing of Erin’s character is (purportedly) because when season 1 was a hit the actors got together and demanded more $ at Jennifer’s suggestion. She rags on her over and over. Guest. Jen and Laurel were scene partners and co-workers who were amiable during filming. Laurel Loud Holloman. podDIVA. Yesterday’s drop was a teaser/sneak peak, but 100% not a trailer. Jennifer Beals is seen at the "Today" show on October 03, 2022 in New York City. o God this (｡♥‿♥｡) really give a fuck on headache first she says l will have an big role now she fucked up my mind why is this (｡♥‿♥｡) going back to eating a fucking krain must get her out of the house this time fuck l fuck j they don`t need respect despicable assholes i am writing this before i read the other pages but fuck jenluh they don`t. They haven't always been friends. This is not a shipping thread or Beales/Holloman thread - no you don't get to decide to remake it into one because you want to ship them. Laurel declares her love for her husband Henry and took him to. There have been several scenes in OG and GQ where I felt the cast should have been nominated for an Emmy. " [Note: This story contains spoilers for the first two episodes of Season 3. 2:01 PM - 8 days ago #97363. A lot of time has passed and they are sharing a child together. Avant toutes choses , je vous demanderais de lire le règlement , il est important qu'il soit accepté et respecté pour le bon fonctionnement du groupe. I cherished these two so much… ️ ️ ️Source: Google & Pinterest All Credits goes to :👇Video clips and pictures were taken from JENNIFER BEALS INSTAGRAM and. I recall IC mentioning the chemistry between Beals and Holloman was visible from the beginning. People on this board don’t tell everyone that they’re in the know and got this information from people. First parallel is Tibette/JenLuh holding hands, specifically JB/Bette taking Laurel/Tina away. If they can raise $20,000 in just one day think of what they can do with L Word NY with Tibette as the center of the show. FORUMS. . They're acting like Tibette doesn't exist. Throwback to season 6 production notes. Guest. Mickey600. com)Nicole Wilder/ShowtimeEvery fan of The L Word: Generation Q will have finished Sunday night’s episode with some warmth in their heart, and maybe even shouted a “FINALLY” at the screen. what do you expect me to do. 7:54 AM - Apr 07. Beck 22. It’s unfair to compare GQ Tina with Gigi. Beals also suffered from thyroiditis, an inflammation of the thyroid gland that contributes to fatigue. After so much suffering and so many conspiracies, Tibette in its rightful place. Major congratulations to them and to Jennifer and Laurel. JB sacrificed her role to give them a chance, they failed miserably. JB's surprise was announced on Valentine's Day and LuH was in Colorado in March. By the way this chat is called jennifer- beals-laurel holloman-jenluh, but not Bette and Tina or GQ3. Jump to page: Previous; 1. Yet some actors realize it and don’t care about it and it doesn’t stop them from being playful with co stars on public, it’s a part of the job. Join Facebook to connect with Herman Beals and others you may know. Jess didn’t say JB made Sepi leave. Maybe Jen sent flowers as she didn’t go with Laurel to the watch party. The charity video was recorded on march as we. Jennifer Beals Talks About The L Word, Love Scenes and Flashdance. Vile. Does Leisha looks like she’s got on some sort 70s hippy outfit in this picture. Holloman worked steadily (mostly in the independent film market) and didn't have the same level of success to leverage so she wasn't tapped as much as Beals. pp [s--this is a shorter clip. wow, Showtime is getting desperate to expand their audience for GenQ if they're seeking help from this podcast. 2:06 PM - Oct 05 #67809. At the end of TLW S6, TiBette we’re engaged, in love and content. If Tina met JB I think they’d be friends, and Tina would introduce JB to all her friends. The post was about JB not liking Laurel filming sex scenes with others , etc. I only recall seeing 2 people with Flashdance T-Shirts on, but even they were there for Tibette as well. It just feels like Laurel is more passionate about the couple than JB. Thank you very much Laurel Holloman. Not nice at all. People have been giving hints and you guys have decided to ignore it, so don't be surprised when you get some posters pushing back. If the goal is to catch steam for the reboot, Diva would be the better choice. Laurel Holloman as Tina and Jennifer Beals as Bette. Guest. AngusOnSteroids. . Jennifer probably has some health issues too as all of us but she still looks gorgeous. . PowerLesbian. Guest. Remember that Bette and Jenny were Ilene’s alter egos in the story; as she arrived in HW and as she became more powerful. Guestooo wrote: ↑. So there may have been a reason for the poor lighting and the short scene. Her body of work is actually mediocre, at best, before she started taking acting lessons from William Esper, which was around the time of in the soup. It's when we first see Tina's smile that I begin to lose it. In this fun, intimate chat, heavy with laughter, Jennifer and Laurel discuss their on-screen romance of twenty years. Rachel obviously reached out to them. It may be the end for The L Word Generation Q, but with talk of an L Word New York spin-off, perhaps Bette and Tina's happy-ever-after is. Not nice at all. We hear the crowd laughing but not once did Bette or Tina turn to look at Alice. The black and white is on other level, it’s so captivating and magnificent. Sure LuH may not want to be in every episode but you have to think that she has changed her life since TLW and she also has a family life. com) a lot of stuff from the L word ( they both worked on set…and one is friend with Laurel) Nov 06, 2021. However, they believe Tibette fans should take the blame for the lack of exploration on Bette’s character or specifically the only story they are interested in - Bette’s hook ups. I really don'But the first pic the one she’s with Jodi, she’s actually looking at Phyllis. Jennifer Beals has been in relationships with Lauren Lee Smith (2010), Alexandra Hedison (2008 – 2010), Mia Kirshner (2004), Rupert Everett (1984) and Jodie Foster (1983 – 1986). JB had to make sure IC knew that also . They clearly were talking about Marja when comparing the situation of being a passenger on an airplane, not having control and having to put your faith in the pilot to safely land the plane. After losing the mayoral race and finding out her ex-wife, Tina (Laurel Holloman), was. Same old rumors. Maybe that's what Shane and Alice are holding outside the freezelaurel_holloman: Yes it was a complete riot, the whole day that we shot in the country club. BEHND THE SCENES - THE L WORD - PHOTOS AND WRITINGS FROM JENNIFER BEALS. Jump. Seeing them laughing together like this is just the best. LuH divorced in 2012. The killing of Erin’s character is (purportedly) because when season 1 was a hit the actors got together and demanded more $ at Jennifer’s suggestion. NOTIFICATIONS. Why wouldn't she if she loves Tibette and the fans as much as she says. FORUMS. Notice pic of just the OG. It is creepy to go on about how young actors still look, as though that were a goal in itself, but Beals, 58, is so unchanged – since she first played Bette in The L Word. And the "wanna meet up in Texas" one. It showed JB’s neck and it shocked me. 98 133. Now in its second season, The L Word: Generation Q goes all-out with returning cast members Jennifer Beals (Bette), Kate Moennig […] Showrunners are hired by studios and can be fired by them. She was also allowing Chris Meloni to rewrite dialogue and scripts. Mickey600. Read more posts (9576 remaining) 93756 posts. Bette said she wanted to carry the child. This is a way of paying tribute to her invaluable contribution to the art of acting. Tina and Bette didn’t work onscreen anymore because of the way Holloman looks these days, they don’t fit together. Guest. It’s not being forced on people as fact. Hear your L Word favourites Jennifer Beals (Bette Porter) and Laurel Holloman (Tina Kennard) sharing all the joy with Rachel Shelley (Helena Peabody) - talking, laughing, loving, breathing. As we all know, KM and LeH recap TLW on Pants. Plus, Dana's death. I’m very excited to be talking about the finale with you—it was great. That knowing JB she had zero desire to be there knowing anything could come out of Erin’s mouth. When we had to walk down and see Tammy Lynn Michaels, she cracked us all up by mooning us. Her character is outwardly tough but the. Isn’t Leisha also a painter?Beals and Holloman and deeply appreciates all they have both contributed to the LGBT community, both in their own ways. That's right, they both fuel the allegations. Marja gave us the shittiest wedding episode and fans still showed up to bid this high on the vows because it's something Jennifer and Laurel put together. JB has bigger arm with more muscles. FORUMS. Bette's comment about Tina's acceptance reminded me of how Tina was so caring with Jenny, offering to help her through a confusing time. Like I could get a. That was enlightening. Shooting schedules can be long and brutal but you get call sheets. (Kate and Leisha also had to do this by not being included in the friendship scenes). Talking about an entrance. Once Ilene realized JB was in, she knew the show would be a go and be huge. Per ilene interview. Brazilians found this tweet. . For GQ, I think Jennifer’s performance when Tina told her she was getting married after the special meal was amazing. and i gotta say these days Laurel might be giving Jennifer a run for her money in the guns department lol must be all that repetitive motion from painting. So Laurel has got on really flared trousers in this picture, although you can’t see them properly in this picture but you can in the Facebook ones if someone can link them up. The mountain scene was the scenes she was filming for Carrie, Misty and Finley. Not much reaction to Dani, Roxi, Fin, Pippa and Sophie. Yeah, JB really did try to get Tibette back together right after S3. 8:51 PM - Mar 27. The Revenge of the Nerds actors take part in biggers cons than this one. Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman. No she didn't. In general, this nomination looks like a mockery of the original. She has insisted she is straight so, if she had strong feelings for LH, I believe she. Oh yes. Debatable implication from like 7 yrs ago doesn’t matter, especially because 2015/16 is when JenLuH began following each other on Twitter. People were mad before, during and after and openly hostile to MLR who stayed outside the whole time once the show started. Hey all. I think it was Holloman who choose to distance herself (spend less time with Beals) but they did remain friendly. The menu gives away the location. So Tina has at least a scene in the desert…goes with what we saw last week on some pics posted here when we werent sure If the blonde women was Laurel or not…. The L Chat. SA rewatch the scene - she absolutely pulled back from SM’s sloppy disgusting tongue. Normally Shess, Gini and TiBette tweets get an average of 1 to 3k likes, which is impressive for Shess considering they don't have a solid following but TiBette's s3 cold open teaser is the most liked ship related tweet. Jump to page:The cool thing is the group selfie was not in the "official" agenda and at the end of JB'panel she told us to come back at 4pm for the group selfie, which actually there's other panel that will be in that room. MESSAGES. The photos we saw of Laurel’s hair was just from set that the hair people had posted as practice wedding hair. babygirl's heart is breaking, those big brown puppy dog eyes. I see no difference between these girls and people like Chicki. JB's surprise was announced on Valentine's Day and LuH was in Colorado in March. Post Sep 15, 2015 #13444 2015-09-15T11:21. Her eyes are something else. If Bette Porter meets Laurel Holloman, Bette would totally flirt with Laurel. They are both so beautiful. Hear your L Word favourites Jennifer Beals (Bette Porter) and Laurel Holloman (Tina Kennard) sharing all the joy with Rachel Shelley (Helena Peabody) - talking, laughing, loving, breathing. 12:59 AM - Mar 30 #91947. Y’all don’t spend enough time on the promo. Laurel didn’t have luck in her first marriage but she’s got lucky with her second marriage. JB is fueling the Tibette brand as much as she can since the show has been over because she wants to raise money for charity ( with the help of Laurel) and she wants to keep the fans interrested because of. Hosted by The L Word actress Rachel Shelley (aka Helena Peabody). Look at this beautiful queen in her stories just now @laurelholloman #laurelholloman. Vile. Marja has supposedly spoken the ST Execs. Jen and Laurel were scene partners and co-workers who were amiable during filming. Jump to page: Previous; 1. 8:46 PM - Sep 28 #96062. Jen has said she doesn't live her life to please others, and that's something she learned very early on. although she does appear to be extremely lighter than her younger years, which I believe has little to do with her staying out of the sun as she got. Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman; JenLuh - Page 558 - The L Chat (tapatalk. Jennifer Beals has not been previously engaged. Guest. They both are passionate about Tina and Bette. He would be 110 today. But this is a Lesbian gossip chat and for the romantics…their is no higher compliment or beautiful gesture that discussing "Women who Love Women"The original show laid out clearly that Tina and Bette were a couple of seven years trying to have a baby. Tina is Jennifer's dream partner. TLW:NY starts off with the OG cast walking out of the premiere of Les Girls 2. The fact that Ass talks with Rosie proves that she was up Marja’s ass and will take any crumbs thrown her way. Feb 16, 2022. The L Chat > Welcome Back > General Discussions > Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman; JenLuh. The evidence to me points to an intense emotional and physical attraction and yes a full blown love affair. I was like. I now all I have to do is think of it and the sobs start. Jennifer Beals and Laurel Holloman; JenLuh - Page 558 - The L Chat (tapatalk. It's her work and it's something that's close to her heart. We had Tina very jealous of Jodi and Bette very jealous of Kate. This morning after we checked out, the driver told us he just drove michael nouri to the airport. Jennifer Beals explains why she is reducing her role on "The L Word: Generation Q," and championing the Indian film "RRR. Adrian Lyne Can’t Believe He’s Talking About ‘Flashdance’ 40 Years Later Either. Unfortunately, they can't do that in real life. After the backlash for all the non tibette scenes in final episode, they've clearly been enrolled to defend the production and showrunner, even attacking tibette (clearly more Jess, who interviewed Marja) and Laurel. The majority of women being banned from sports due to new legislation to omit trans women is actually cis women. From the other forum from someone who claims they watched screeners [+] Spoiler Half way through the season Angie ends up pregnant. Location: National Building Museum. Remember when we were supposed to believe they were suffering from bed death. Laurel Holloman is married to a man and lives in New York with him and his and her children. Tree likes vampires and Rebel was in Angel. The tension was building from season 4! At the end of season 4, we had Tina tell Bette that she would take her being a difficult partner over the “safe boring man” she’s been seeing any day. Mr Moseley and Shiva are/where canine Tibetter/Jenluh shippers.